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Yesterday I went to the library. There I discovered that Jane Austen is not 'general literature', but 'young adults'. I learnt that most of Terry Pratchett's books are 'fantasy' but Lords and Ladies is 'science fiction'. Thankfully the two ghettoes are next to each other, striding shoulder to shoulder (if book shelves do, indeed, stride) into the nystery books.

Now, I can see why having some sort of classification of a 'I like Diana Wynne Jones (who unlike Austen is considered suitable for adult shelving) so might I like Susan Howatch?' Well, maybe, but it's certainly not a given. I can understand classifying books by the way they feel or by the themes they are likely to present. However, one man's fantasy is another man's poison. Would it not be simpler to keep the little stickers (if you like one with a house on, you might like another with a house on), but shelve them all alphabetically? It would certainly be easier to find things.

And why would one do it that way for hardbacks, but by genre for paperbacks? Why do they need to be carefully segregated? And isn't it more fun to randomly pick up something you've never heard of that just happens to catch your eye?

It's a mad world, my friends.

Anyway, back to the classification I do understand, please to complete the following sentences:

[Poll #239353]

Thankyou.

Date: 2004-01-27 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] phlebas has the right of it, I feel.

Date: 2004-01-27 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ceb.livejournal.com
Tom Holt - depends which direction you want to go. In the slightly-more-silly direction: Rankin, Asprin, Pratchett; in the slightly-more-sensible direction: Sharpe, Stoppard, Frayn.

Haven't read anything by the other two :-(

Also, in the direction of random recommendations, read _Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil_ by John Berendt *now*, and then spend several weeks cursing the fact that he hasn't written anything else.

Date: 2004-01-27 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Where can I get a copy? Do you have one I can borrow?

Date: 2004-01-27 05:03 am (UTC)
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Where can I get a copy?

There was one in the Cancer Research shop on Burleigh Street on Saturday....

Date: 2004-01-27 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aellia.livejournal.com
Teach me how to *read* again.
I do read,but mostly books on history,especially local history of which there is much around the area I live in.
But it's been a long time since I've been able to totally immerse myself in a novel, I think the last one that I read,properly, was "Jude The Obscure" for my English A level a few years back..I liked it.
I'm dipping into "Stargazey Pie" at the moment..it's light and I can identify with the place ans the people.
xx

Date: 2004-01-27 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Tricky. You might like Tom Holt's 'The Walled Orchard' if you want to branch out into historical novel? It's set in roman times.

Date: 2004-01-27 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aellia.livejournal.com
Thank you,Kirsten
*Amazoning* as I type.

Date: 2004-01-27 03:22 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
The only Haruki Murakami I've read is Underground, which is might not be the base for recommendation that you're looking for, and in any case I don't think I can think of anything I've read that is at all quite like it. (After the Quake is on my wishlist.)

Date: 2004-01-27 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
Remind me to lend you Hard-boiled Wonderland and the End of the Universe (the only one I actually have)?

Date: 2004-01-27 05:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
Sometime. My unread list is already ridiculously long, so perhaps not immediately.

and regarding the first half of the post

Date: 2004-01-27 03:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com

If a library (or bookshop or whatever) is going to divide things up by some kind of genre classification then I think the ideal is for each book to appear in all the places that it might fit, rather than just one of them. (e.g. Pratchett in both humour and fantasy.) For a library that might prove expensive, though; but you could work around this by having card markers in all but one of the places directing the reader to the location where the physical book might be found. (Symbolic links instead of hard links/copies, in other words.)

Shelving alphabetically still has a slight wrinkle: a book with multiple authors might be sought (or impulse-picked) from the position of any of the authors (e.g. Deus Irae belongs in both D and Z).

Hardbacks vs paperbacks just makes me wonder if different librarians are in charge of each l-)

Re: and regarding the first half of the post

Date: 2004-01-27 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
*nod*. There are always going to be cases which cause a problem. I guess I just hate the way one person's idea gets to classify a whole county of books.

Date: 2004-01-27 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
The Materials Department library works with a good system. It looks as if someone made an effort to sort things out into vague topics, metallurgy over there, composites here, etc. Then another person came along and made up a numerical classification completely unlike the one usually used for non-fiction in every library I've ever seen, but still went from one end to the other and included all the books that happened to be out of order that day, and put them on a computer catalogue. This has the effect that if you are looking for a particular book about bone you might consult the catalogue, walk around the library looking for the classmark, walk into the section about steel getting more and more worried, and eventually find the bone book between two completely unrelated things. It's very entertaining.

Date: 2004-01-27 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lzz.livejournal.com
Apparently the library is gradually moving back towards basic alphabetisation for fiction, which seems far more useful to me. I've seen some appalling classification decisions, which I am not allowed to change. Bah.
(Which library were you in, btw?)

Hurray!

Date: 2004-01-27 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
I was in Milton Road. It's the central one I meant with the hb/pb segregation, though; Milton Rd doesn't have enough space or books for that. I gathered they were all the same, by the way that when I asked about the Brontes, and whether there was a 'literature' section I was missing, the librarian checked how they're classified in the central library.

Re: Hurray!

Date: 2004-01-27 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lzz.livejournal.com
Hah! Milton Road turned me down, or at least were less keen to have me than Cherry Hinton, which is now "the most organised it's ever been" as one lady said the other day.
We are hb/pb segregated even though we are quite small, possibly to do with the size of books? although none of the shelves are actually an appropriate size/shape to stop the paperbacks falling off them anyway.
All the libraries are more-or-less the same, but there is room for some kind of individual input, i.e. we used to be unalphabetised genre sections and now we are alphabetised genre sections because it drove me mad.
Our unofficial 'literature' section is a single shelf hidden at the bottom of general fiction. And I have a horrible feeling we have no Brontes at all.

Re: Hurray!

Date: 2004-01-27 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghoti.livejournal.com
The idea that they might be not organised within genre had not occured to me. There is a literature section, at the appropriate point in Dewey decimal amongst the non-fiction, but it's used for poetry only.

The size of books thing makes sense, I guess.

Re: Hurray!

Date: 2004-01-27 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lzz.livejournal.com
Yes, we also have about 3 poetry books in the 800s in Dewey, along with books on 'How to Write a Sentence'.
*sighs*

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